Anyone been watching it? _________________
I Love Makenzie
I hate it when they tell us how far we came to be as if our peoples history started with slavery
Even the media here is talking about it non-stop...
Seems like nothing but backslapping and cheering to me. I thought America was supposed to be a republic. the conventions always remind me of anointing a king. _________________
Yeah, because we all know it's the Democrats who are the ones who stand up for the wealthy and elite vs. the Republicans who represent the working man. _________________
Yeah, because we all know it's the Democrats who are the ones who stand up for the wealthy and elite vs. the Republicans who represent the working man.
Meh, the Democrats always use that as their platform. I see them as representing big government and not the working people. The crappiest parties in any country always say "We represent the working man!".. and it's all crap. The only person who can represent the working man is the working man himself. _________________
^ HP Chat & Games
^I'm watching her speech now. I got home from work just in time to see it, I almost forgot she was speaking today. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
Both parties stand for "big government" and if you pretend otherwise, you're deluded.
I think you misunderstand me. Democrats = more government. Republicans want less of it. And yes, Republicans have always supported big business because it is what makes our country tick. Democrats tend to think it's some sort of evil monster. _________________
^ HP Chat & Games
Both parties stand for "big government" and if you pretend otherwise, you're deluded.
I think you misunderstand me. Democrats = more government.
Democrats = More fiscal restrictions
Republicans = More social restrictions
Both are more government in one area and less government in another. Add the military dimension and Republicans are generally bigger government. _________________
Both parties stand for "big government" and if you pretend otherwise, you're deluded.
I think you misunderstand me. Democrats = more government. Republicans want less of it.
No, I don't misunderstand you at all.
A look at the last 15 odd years of policies from both sides as well as an evaluation of the current policies of both candidates show your statement "Republicans want less of it" to be both fundamentally and hilariously wrong. _________________
Actually, the democrats tend to want more government control at the federal level, while the Republicans tend to favor more statewide control. Historically, that was a major difference between the two parties. In more recent years, these lines have been blurred. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
And if you want to go further back... Republicans tended to be the more "progressive" or "left-wing" of the two parties. Hence why starting examples off with "Historically..." is not really a good idea.
Also why you need to look at the much more recent history, 10-15 years, as well as current policies. _________________
And if you want to go further back... Republicans tended to be the more "progressive" or "left-wing" of the two parties. Hence why starting examples off with "Historically..." is not really a good idea.
Also why you need to look at the much more recent history, 10-15 years, as well as current policies.
Why isn't it a good idea? I only raised one point based on what was being discussed. Were you expecting me to give a huge report on all the changes and differences of our country's political system since the American Revolution? If you were, I'm sorry I disappointed you. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
And if you want to go further back... Republicans tended to be the more "progressive" or "left-wing" of the two parties. Hence why starting examples off with "Historically..." is not really a good idea.
Also why you need to look at the much more recent history, 10-15 years, as well as current policies.
Why isn't it a good idea? I only raised one point based on what was being discussed. Were you expecting me to give a huge report on all the changes and differences of our country's political system since the American Revolution? If you were, I'm sorry I disappointed you.
Well I thought that this discussion was taking place in the context of the current political climate and the impending Presidential election.
That being the case, I don't think it's particularly relevant to talk about the "history" of the Republican party going back 50 years when barely any of those values and policies are represented in the current Republican candidate. The same for the Democrats.
I could of course say the Republicans have a dove-ish war policy, since that was there stance leading up to '72 and the Democrats being hawks since Kennedy and Johnson took the US into Vietnam. Obviously that's not the case anymore with Bush leading us into two wars and McCain promising to continue both of them while Obama wants to withdraw from Iraq.
That's my point - using historical examples of a party's previous position on issues is a naive and also dangerous game to play when there's a very important election just a few months away. _________________
Oh wow, you were expecting a huge thesis size report. I'm really sorry I disappointed you. And yes, I still stand by what I said. Historically, the democratic party leaned towards more federal control and the republicans wanted more control to go to the individual states. That was always a major distinguishing factor between the two political parties. Like I said, those lines have blurred in more recent years.
No, I'm obviously not naive, so please don't imply that I am. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
I was never suggesting you were naive. My original post was in response was to Fiendfyre who was stating that "Republicans want less government". Your point that historically that has sometimes been the case is correct, but again, in the context of the current party and forthcoming elections, pretty irrelevant since Republicans and John McCain now do not argue for less government. _________________
I was never suggesting you were naive. My original post was in response was to Fiendfyre who was stating that "Republicans want less government". Your point that historically that has sometimes been the case is correct, but again, in the context of the current party and forthcoming elections, pretty irrelevant since Republicans and John McCain now do not argue for less government.
I realize that McCain and company have been wanting mnore government control in some cases, which is why I said that in recent years those previous lines have been blurred. Both political parties have changed in many ways over the years since they were first formed.
Bascially, it seems both parties want more federal government control when it pleases them more. For instance, the democrats want more federal control over health insurance while the republicans do not. In other cases, those roles are reversed.
The original purposes of the democratic and republican parties have been tossed to the side and new versions of these parties have formed. It's disturbing when you think about how we've come to have this two-party system where the two parties have become synonymous with the words "conservative" and "liberal", both words being evil to members of the opposing party. Heaven forbid you should be moderate, then you're an evil "flip-flopper." _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
o.O Gotta love Fox News. What the hell are they thinking?
Clinton's speech...
Spoiler:
I am honored to be here tonight. A proud mother. A proud Democrat. A proud American. And a proud supporter of Barack Obama.
My friends, it is time to take back the country we love
Whether you voted for me, or voted for Barack, the time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose. We are on the same team, and none of us can sit on the sidelines.
This is a fight for the future. And it's a fight we must win.
I haven't spent the past 35 years in the trenches advocating for children, campaigning for universal health care, helping parents balance work and family, and fighting for women's rights at home and around the world . . . to see another Republican in the White House squander the promise of our country and the hopes of our people.
And you haven't worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership.
No way. No how. No McCain.
Barack Obama is my candidate. And he must be our President.
Tonight we need to remember what a Presidential election is really about. When the polls have closed, and the ads are finally off the air, it comes down to you -- the American people, your lives, and your children's futures.
For me, it's been a privilege to meet you in your homes, your workplaces, and your communities. Your stories reminded me everyday that America's greatness is bound up in the lives of the American people -- your hard work, your devotion to duty, your love for your children, and your determination to keep going, often in the face of enormous obstacles.
You taught me so much, you made me laugh, and . . . you even made me cry. You allowed me to become part of your lives. And you became part of mine.
I will always remember the single mom who had adopted two kids with autism, didn't have health insurance and discovered she had cancer. But she greeted me with her bald head painted with my name on it and asked me to fight for health care.
I will always remember the young man in a Marine Corps t-shirt who waited months for medical care and said to me: "Take care of my buddies; a lot of them are still over there….and then will you please help take care of me?"
I will always remember the boy who told me his mom worked for the minimum wage and that her employer had cut her hours. He said he just didn't know what his family was going to do.
I will always be grateful to everyone from all fifty states, Puerto Rico and the territories, who joined our campaign on behalf of all those people left out and left behind by the Bush Administrtation.
To my supporters, my champions -- my sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits – from the bottom of my heart: Thank you.
You never gave in. You never gave up. And together we made history.
Along the way, America lost two great Democratic champions who would have been here with us tonight. One of our finest young leaders, Arkansas Democratic Party Chair, Bill Gwatney, who believed with all his heart that America and the South could be and should be Democratic from top to bottom.
And Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a dear friend to many of us, a loving mother and courageous leader who never gave up her quest to make America fairer and smarter, stronger and better. Steadfast in her beliefs, a fighter of uncommon grace, she was an inspiration to me and to us all.
Our heart goes out to Stephanie's son, Mervyn, Jr, and Bill's wife, Rebecca, who traveled to Denver to join us at our convention.
Bill and Stephanie knew that after eight years of George Bush, people are hurting at home, and our standing has eroded around the world. We have a lot of work ahead.
Jobs lost, houses gone, falling wages, rising prices. The Supreme Court in a right-wing headlock and our government in partisan gridlock. The biggest deficit in our nation's history. Money borrowed from the Chinese to buy oil from the Saudis.
Putin and Georgia, Iraq and Iran.
I ran for President to renew the promise of America. To rebuild the middle class and sustain the American Dream, to provide the opportunity to work hard and have that work rewarded, to save for college, a home and retirement, to afford the gas and groceries and still have a little left over each month.
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I only raised one point based on what was being discussed. Were you expecting me to give a huge report on 
What the hell are they thinking?