What's all the commotion about now? I've been missing a lot because I've had work. _________________ Yas and Simmy - Putting Luna on catwalks since 2008!
there is nothing wrong with being rich, there is nothing wrong with industrialization. there is nothing with america doing well. there is nothing wrong with having cheap labor in other countries or our own. btw the same companies you are talking about also pay crappy to americans too. its called unskilled labor, you will never be paid high for doing these jobs. people in other countries should be happy we bring jobs to their countries, specially when there country isnt bringing jobs to the table. they are getting paid and have a job, which if we werent there, it might not be the case.
I love how you never read anyone's posts but just the same thing all the time. _________________
There are ways out of poverty. Have a strong work ethic, and you'll make it out. Most of the people in poverty are
1) People who took school as a joke
2) people who hadn't had a chance to go to school
3) Immigrants who don't know english
4) The Homeless
5) and then those in the Ghettos, who take everything as a joke. It's really there fault they're in poverty. They just refuse to work. wont get there butts off the coach, wont stop smokin weed. Thats the only reason i dislike obama, give money to the poor, tax breaks to the poor. What he's really saying is, give tax breaks to the people who are stuck in "the projects" i grew up in.
Let me put it to you this way: I'm a smart person and I take school pretty seriously. I'm in the top 10% of my class rank right now, and my IQ is in the top 2% of the country's. I don't take school as a joke; I don't smoke pot; I speak English (and I'm pretty fluent in Spanish too); I am well above the average American in intellect and work-ethic. Luckily for me, my parents are well-off enough to pay for my college tuition. If they weren't, then what would I do? How exactly would I sidestep poverty? Where in god's name would I find the money to pay for college? If I didn't, how would I get a job that paid more than $9.00 an hour without a degree? How would I live on that kind of salary?
It's just not practical. FASFA's a joke, and student loans often leave people in a worse position than they started in. You can't get any money without a degree and you can't get a degree without any money. It's a paradox that basically establishes an aristocracy. _________________
There are ways out of poverty. Have a strong work ethic, and you'll make it out. Most of the people in poverty are
1) People who took school as a joke
2) people who hadn't had a chance to go to school
3) Immigrants who don't know english
4) The Homeless
5) and then those in the Ghettos, who take everything as a joke. It's really there fault they're in poverty. They just refuse to work. wont get there butts off the coach, wont stop smokin weed. Thats the only reason i dislike obama, give money to the poor, tax breaks to the poor. What he's really saying is, give tax breaks to the people who are stuck in "the projects" i grew up in.
Let me put it to you this way: I'm a smart person and I take school pretty seriously. I'm in the top 10% of my class rank right now, and my IQ is in the top 2% of the country's. I don't take school as a joke; I don't smoke pot; I speak English (and I'm pretty fluent in Spanish too); I am well above the average American in intellect and work-ethic. Luckily for me, my parents are well-off enough to pay for my college tuition. If they weren't, then what would I do? How exactly would I sidestep poverty? Where in god's name would I find the money to pay for college? If I didn't, how would I get a job that paid more than $9.00 an hour without a degree? How would I live on that kind of salary?
It's just not practical. FASFA's a joke, and student loans often leave people in a worse position than they started in. You can't get any money without a degree and you can't get a degree without any money. It's a paradox that basically establishes an aristocracy.
That's not really true. Many students take loans and do just fine paying them back and get them paid off pretty fast. I go to a private school that can cost $30,000 a year to go to - and yet, they see record numbers of applicants and admittees every year. No, not all of them are rich. The school provides decent financial aid, but most people take out loans, do well in school, graduate and get a real job where they get paid fairly well and they pay it off pretty soon. State schools cost much much less than that.
FAFSA is a bit of a joke. But that's because our Congress sucks and doesn't give much financial aid to education. The Democrats haven't done jack about it because Nancy Pelosi is too busy trying to "save the world".
If you're smart and work hard, there's no reason why you can't afford college somewhere. There's plenty of scholarships, opportunities, and companies will even help pay off your loan sometimes after you graduate and have worked a little while. Even people with average intelligence can do fine. But if you're not willing to work hard, you won't get anywhere because no one will want to help you. _________________
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If you're smart and work hard, there's no reason why you can't afford college somewhere. There's plenty of scholarships, opportunities, and companies will even help pay off your loan sometimes after you graduate and have worked a little while. Even people with average intelligence can do fine. But if you're not willing to work hard, you won't get anywhere because no one will want to help you.
so true. my bf works at walmart and is paying for him to go to college in computer repairs.
also if you actually try and put your all and do everything you can possibly to get into college and succeed, you most likely will. a lot who dont have anything arent just poor souls, they just didnt do anything and expect us to fix it for them. your decisions are what cause you to succeed and get into college or a good job, or fail and not do anything with your life. thats why there is the rich and the poor. _________________
If you're smart and work hard, there's no reason why you can't afford college somewhere. There's plenty of scholarships, opportunities, and companies will even help pay off your loan sometimes after you graduate and have worked a little while. Even people with average intelligence can do fine. But if you're not willing to work hard, you won't get anywhere because no one will want to help you.
I like how that BS line has been proven quite wrong over and over again in this thread but it doesn't seem to stop you from spewing it out. _________________
hasnt been proven. just you guys believe what you want to believe. you have no real proof whatsoever, you guys like to think that everyone out there that is poor is just having their share of misgivings by evil big corporations and the government. _________________
That's not really true. Many students take loans and do just fine paying them back and get them paid off pretty fast. I go to a private school that can cost $30,000 a year to go to - and yet, they see record numbers of applicants and admittees every year. No, not all of them are rich. The school provides decent financial aid, but most people take out loans, do well in school, graduate and get a real job where they get paid fairly well and they pay it off pretty soon. State schools cost much much less than that.
Many do, but more don't. Student loans work if you're going into a career with a high starting salary. Lawyers and Engineers usually don't have probelms paying them off. People who take out student loans and then major in teaching usually end up drowning in debt (yes, there are teachers in my school still paying off student loans), and people who major in art or music might as well sell their souls to the school as well. _________________
hasnt been proven. just you guys believe what you want to believe. you have no real proof whatsoever, you guys like to think that everyone out there that is poor is just having their share of misgivings by evil big corporations and the government.
Have you ever thought about the fact that most of the people at or below poverty line were born into that? _________________ Yas and Simmy - Putting Luna on catwalks since 2008!
Obama just needs Michigan and Ohio. No Republican candidate has lost when winning Ohio. _________________
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Where's all the peace in this world? _________________
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"Or the Warner Bros. are Morons Group?" suggested Fred.
hasnt been proven. just you guys believe what you want to believe. you have no real proof whatsoever, you guys like to think that everyone out there that is poor is just having their share of misgivings by evil big corporations and the government.
Have you ever thought about the fact that most of the people at or below poverty line were born into that?
so what is you point cuz i really dont see one. i can say this though, if your born into poverty dont be the scum of the united states because of it. stick your nose to the grindstone get scholarships, and yes there are those that pay college 100%, my friend has one. as for being a teacher and repaying you debt for a few years, so what? your in the job you love, you should be happy we have these grants and scholarships to help you achieve your goal. its not like you have to pay it all back at once, you can pay it little by little, if your wise with you money and dont blow it on everything, even a teacher should and usually does pay it off living comfortably.
oh and the world wasnt peaceful in the 70's... but you guys can just say that i guess. the world is never peaceful and a nice happy free place to live in. stop wanting the gov to fix your lives when you can do just fine by yourself. get some backbone people. _________________
I believe the point was that the phrase 'equal opportunity' is supposed to mean something.
Vasaver wrote:
i can say this though, if your born into poverty dont be the scum of the united states because of it. stick your nose to the grindstone get scholarships, and yes there are those that pay college 100%, my friend has one.
It's a horrible disadvantage to go to only the colleges that you get scholarships to. The same kind of people who get accepted into Yale get full scholarships to State colleges. Think about that. If you're poor, you just went from being a Yale graduate to a Penn-State graduate. Equal opportunity?
Vasaver wrote:
as for being a teacher and repaying you debt for a few years, so what? your in the job you love, you should be happy we have these grants and scholarships to help you achieve your goal. its not like you have to pay it all back at once, you can pay it little by little, if your wise with you money and dont blow it on everything, even a teacher should and usually does pay it off living comfortably.
Um... not little by little dude - for the rest of your life. Ever heard of interest rates? That means the more time you spend paying off your debt, the bigger it gets... and if you're making as little as a teacher chances are even though you're paying off the debt the interest is making it bigger and bigger, and then since interest works as a percentage, the debt snowballs and soon you have no credit and plumet towards poverty.
Vasaver wrote:
stop wanting the gov to fix your lives when you can do just fine by yourself. get some backbone people.
I believe the point was that the phrase 'equal opportunity' is supposed to mean something.
yeah equal opportunity not hold your hand to get where you want in life. i dont see laws now that state, if you are black you cannot get a college education, or if your family did not make this amount of money last year you cannot get a higher education.
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It's a horrible disadvantage to go to only the colleges that you get scholarships to. The same kind of people who get accepted into Yale get full scholarships to State colleges. Think about that. If you're poor, you just went from being a Yale graduate to a Penn-State graduate. Equal opportunity?
So what if you graduate from a state university. not all states have ivy league colleges, look at oregon for example, you have no choice if stay in oregon to go to a state university. also, state universities are not disadvatage places at all.
oh yeah and yale has scholarships. http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/outsidescholarships.htm omg its a miracle its possible to go to a rich mans school! also there are grants there are outside scholarships out there. you dont have to just get scholarships from that school. that is a load of bull. like my senior year i was granted 12000 dollars in funds for college to go anywhere. ANYWHERE. but i went into the military instead.
also if you were a dumb ass and believed in what you just said fm, then after you graduate from penn state, then simply apply afterwards to yale, cuz your record of graduating from penn will be better than graduating from some blow joe high school. thats what community college students do all the time. specially when they had bad grades in high school. its not imposible at all.
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Um... not little by little dude - for the rest of your life. Ever heard of interest rates? That means the more time you spend paying off your debt, the bigger it gets... and if you're making as little as a teacher chances are even though you're paying off the debt the interest is making it bigger and bigger, and then since interest works as a percentage, the debt snowballs and soon you have no credit and plummet towards poverty.
wow i hate to know what would happen if you ever got a credit card! cuz paying off grants and stuff is just like it, theres the minimum, where you slowly pay it off, but dont cause a snow ball effect, you can increase how much you want to pay off each month. but if you dont pay the minimum then yeah your f'd up and now you have to pay more and it hurts your credit. paying off your grants and things, with the minimum or more than minimum per month actually helps your credit.
yeah you know what, im not even going to read that cuz i dont think you realize what caused it or what helped the country truly get back onto its feet. if you ever knew that little secret i think it would blow your mind out. _________________
yeah you know what, im not even going to read that cuz i dont think you realize what caused it or what helped the country truly get back onto its feet. if you ever knew that little secret i think it would blow your mind out.
Yeah I haven't been here a very long time but reading Vasaver's posts, especially that one, has made me decide that it's pretty useless attempting to discuss logically with someone like that and we're better off ignoring it. _________________
yeah equal opportunity not hold your hand to get where you want in life. i dont see laws now that state, if you are black you cannot get a college education, or if your family did not make this amount of money last year you cannot get a higher education.
Just like after the Civil War there weren't any laws saying that black's couldn't vote, right? It's impractical. Poor people do not have equal opportunity to get an education. Period. If you have to rely on scholarships, that's not equal. If you have to take out student loans, that's not equal.
Vasaver wrote:
So what if you graduate from a state university. not all states have ivy league colleges, look at oregon for example, you have no choice if stay in oregon to go to a state university. also, state universities are not disadvatage places at all.
Are you saying that Yale and Penn-State are equal? If not, then your argument has no validity. If so, then you have no brain.
Vasaver wrote:
oh yeah and yale has scholarships.
You could be Valedictorian in your class, on 3 different Varsity sport's teams, Section Leader in the school Band, Captain of Hi-Q, and still not get a Yale scholarship (I'm not joking, one of my brother's friends did all of the above).
Anyway that wasn't even the point. The point is that if you get accepted into Yale and you have money, then you'll be a Yale graduate. If you get accepted into Yale and you don't have money, then you'll be a Penn-State graduate or something of the like. That isn't equal.
Vasaver wrote:
also if you were a dumb ass and believed in what you just said fm, then after you graduate from penn state, then simply apply afterwards to yale, cuz your record of graduating from penn will be better than graduating from some blow joe high school. thats what community college students do all the time. specially when they had bad grades in high school. its not imposible at all.
They still won't have the opportunity that the kids who went to Yale because their parents could afford it had.
You shouldn't have to rely on scholarships - it greatly reduces the quality of schools that you can go to.
Vasaver wrote:
wow i hate to know what would happen if you ever got a credit card! cuz paying off grants and stuff is just like it, theres the minimum, where you slowly pay it off, but dont cause a snow ball effect, you can increase how much you want to pay off each month. but if you dont pay the minimum then yeah your f'd up and now you have to pay more and it hurts your credit. paying off your grants and things, with the minimum or more than minimum per month actually helps your credit.
Ever think that teachers, who make like $30,000 a year starting (if they're lucky) don't have the money to pay the minimum payments each month?
Vasaver wrote:
yeah you know what, im not even going to read that cuz i dont think you realize what caused it or what helped the country truly get back onto its feet. if you ever knew that little secret i think it would blow your mind out.
No, you're not going to read that because you're closed minded, and you want to keep plugging your ears, not reading my posts, and just repeating the same things over and over again no matter how many times I prove you wrong.
Rugged individualism doesn't work, Herbert Hoover. When you instill policies with the idea: pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, you're only damning the entire country (not just the poor) to an economic collapse. _________________
So what if you graduate from a state university. not all states have ivy league colleges, look at oregon for example, you have no choice if stay in oregon to go to a state university. also, state universities are not disadvatage places at all.
Are you saying that Yale and Penn-State are equal? If not, then your argument has no validity. If so, then you have no brain.
Penn State is a perfectly fine school. Just because Yale is more difficult to get into and more costly doesn't diminish the quality of education that Penn State could offer. You should know that it is the quality of education that makes a school good and not how much it costs to get in. Horrible professors exist everywhere and so do great ones. You do not pay more to go to Yale just because the professors are better, there is no proof and no logic in that. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
Penn State is a perfectly fine school. Just because Yale is more difficult to get into and more costly doesn't diminish the quality of education that Penn State could offer. You should know that it is the quality of education that makes a school good and not how much it costs to get in. Horrible professors exist everywhere and so do great ones. You do not pay more to go to Yale just because the professors are better, there is no proof and no logic in that.
I know Penn-State is a perfectly fine school - my brother goes there. It's not that it's a particularly bad school, it's just that Yale is in a different leage. Having a degree from Yale will get you much farther than having a degree from Penn-State. _________________
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