November 23, 2009 5:30 PM Republicans May Consider Test of Purity
Posted by Brian Montopoli
Members of the Republican National Committee are pushing a resolution built on "conservative principles and public policies" and opposition to "Obama's socialist agenda" that Republican candidates would have to largely accept and adopt if they want the party's support.
The New York Times reports that ten RNC members have signed onto the resolution, which was circulated today. It contains ten principles, among them support for the Defense of Marriage Act, gun rights and "military-recommended troop surges" in Iraq and Afghanistan; opposition to President Obama's health care reform efforts, cap and trade legislation, a card check bill and amnesty for illegal immigrants; and support for "smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes."
Any Republican who breaks with more than two of the ten principles, the resolution says, would be denied the GOP's endorsement and money from the party for his or her campaign.
Republicans may debate the resolution, which invokes Ronald Reagan, at their winter meeting in Honolulu in January, which could put party chairman Michael Steele in a difficult spot as he tries to hold together the Republican coalition.
Republicans are now involved in an internal debate over to what degree their party can and should be a "big tent" that includes both conservatives and moderates. While tea party protesters and some lawmakers have pushed for the GOP to essentially excommunicate potential candidates with relatively moderate or liberal positions, other Republicans have suggested such a strategy is a mistake that will effectively keep the GOP out of the majority in Congress.
The Times has the full list of ten principles here. *
We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;
We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care;
We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.
Would you be able to check off 8 or more principles on this list?
Would you be willing to sign this list? How about whether or not you agreed with 8 or more principles?
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so they want to make their number of members smaller? alright, do that. shooting themselves in the foot (with their own guns that they have the god-given right to own no less), but I'm not gonna stop them. _________________
This is the most disgusting list I have ever seen in my life. The special way that Republicans word things bugs the hell out of me. It's just a candy coating for the nasty stuff that is really underneath the glossy surface.
I'm totally not "pure" and proud of it. Oh, this makes me want to pull out the Hitler stuff on purity. _________________
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I actually think this is a very good idea, and one that other political parties should emulate. Far too many fringe-group candidates - like Obama - get onto the ballot by pretending to be a democrat or a republican. This way, they can say "this is what we stand for. This is what our party is about. If these beliefs are not your beliefs, you are not one of us and can't call yourself one of us."
This is one idea from the Reps that I actually agree with. It just makes sense. _________________ Save the ta-tas!
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me too. This is why I don't align myself with Conservatives or Liberals, I'm more of a moderate. I feel like no candidates represent me. _________________
Most people are Libertarians and don't even know it. xD _________________ Save the ta-tas!
"Yea, though I walk through valley in the shadow of death I shall fear no evil, for I am the baddest motherf***er in the whole ***damn valley."
-Sgt. Sike
"Fear is a reflex. Confidence is a choice."
-Courage Wolf
I actually think this is a very good idea, and one that other political parties should emulate. Far too many fringe-group candidates - like Obama - get onto the ballot by pretending to be a democrat or a republican. This way, they can say "this is what we stand for. This is what our party is about. If these beliefs are not your beliefs, you are not one of us and can't call yourself one of us."
This is one idea from the Reps that I actually agree with. It just makes sense.
It makes no sense unless you want force an entire group of people to believe, or pretend to believe, one way and only that way.
What if that's not what you're about, though?
A republican can't still be considered a Republican unless they conform to all those principles? lol, no, those principles do not and should not define a Republican.
A Republican can still be for smaller government, but not agree with 8 or more of those principles.
For instance, if someone believes in smaller government, but does not believe in more than 8 of those principles, then what political party should they run with?
This contract promotes all or nothing... either far liberal or far right and nothing in between.
This could lead to having little to no moderation... no compromising and no give and take... something that no democratic republic should have to endure. As a country with a democratic republic this is the very thing that could end us with leaders who have no free will and no free thinking.
As it is people argue with the two party system our country seems to have embraced... With no moderation then this will drive the wedge further apart. Isn't this what we don't want to happen? _________________ thanks to Yasmine Stupidity is not a learning disability.
We want equal power over time with the Republican party and Democratic party. This maintains the principle of "Checks and balances" within both our government, and thinking processes.
I believe a little of every party, and disagree with more of every party. I think it is best if everyone is just scattered around the map, making things balanced and no over whelming force of beliefs pushing through.
I'll be honest, when I read the title to this thread, my first thought was, "Not very..." Anyways...
GinnyX wrote:
[*] We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;
I'll be honest, I didn't exactly agree with him on this. Sure, it created some jobs, but... the national debt... lol... well, you know...
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[*] We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care;
I support Obama.
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[*] We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
No thanks. Solar power and keeping endangered species alive... FTW???
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[*] We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
Someone has to explain this one to me.
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[*] We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
I actually agree with this.
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[*] We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
I'm against war of any and all kind.
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[*] We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
How about let's not make any killing machines at all? Wait... we'd have to wipe out the human race for that. Forgot.
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[*] We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
I'm a firm believer in that marriage should be between two people who love and care for each other.
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[*] We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
You don't have a vagina, you don't have an opinion. kthxbai
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[*] We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.
Whatever. As long as the damn thing is in a place where the kids in the house won't find it and kill themselves on accident.
Would you be able to check off 8 or more principles on this list? No.
Would you be willing to sign this list? Absolutely not.
How about whether or not you agreed with 8 or more principles? I didn't.[/quote] _________________ "Anyone can bring pen to paper. Only a true writer bleeds the ink." - Simply Just
"If there was no such thing as imagination, the bible would not have been created." - Simply Just
Simmy.... the card check has to do with forming labor unions based on a majority. _________________ thanks to Yasmine Stupidity is not a learning disability.
Simmy.... the card check has to do with forming labor unions based on a majority.
So obvious it wasn't obvious... for me, that is. Thank you, by the way! In regards to that, I'd say... I'm iffy with unions. The beginning of the 2008-2009 school-year at my high school, there was a teacher's strike because contracts expired that July and they all wanted a raise. It took away education by about a month and they all had to make up for it at the end of the year. The teachers got stubborn.
On the other hand, unions guarantee jobs. _________________ "Anyone can bring pen to paper. Only a true writer bleeds the ink." - Simply Just
"If there was no such thing as imagination, the bible would not have been created." - Simply Just
[*] We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;
Less debt is good, and allowing corporations and citizens to stimulate the economy is far more effective and faster then governmental debt and pointless purchases.
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[*] We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care;
We don't need more debt. We don't need tax increase for those who already pay using private health care, we don't need people dieing on public health-care because they are sitting on waiting lists for less quality doctors. We surely don't need another TRILLION down the hole people. People who don't understand business and marketing have no idea of the negative effects this bill could cause.
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[*] We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
This isn't really effective. This is one of those things you can try to do, but it wont be used for the majority of the world population and nations.
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[*] We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
We should have the right to create unions, for protection and security of workmanship.
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[*] We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
Any illegal immigrant needs to be shipped off from where they came. If they come back, kill the son of a bitch. Stop letting terrorists into this nation, might as well invite Osama for dinner.
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[*] We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
This war is pointless. However, at this point in the game the best chance is to win the damn thing. As many soldiers that have died, let the commanders and professional military leaders do their job. This war shouldn't have happened in the first place. Stop policing the world, and worry about the US citizens and our benefits, America.
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[*] We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
No one should handle Nuclear Weapons! There is no excuse for handling such destructive power, unless you plan to end a nation. However, they exist, and the US just needs to own the most of them to increase the fear factor. This will keep the other nations at bay, at the same time we need to have allies and respect.
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[*] We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
This is wasting our time, and energy. People are dieing, and you worry about marriage of all things? Give the people their rights, and stop wasting time that can be utilized on saving lives and protecting this nation.
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[*] We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
Do what is required to keep as many alive as possible.
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[*] We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.
We have the right to bear arms. Why? 1. For our honest protection from the black market, and criminal world. 2. For keeping our authorities as check, keeping government in check, and ensuring we have ultimate power as the people to over through any government that denies our rights and protection. 3. Banning firearms only gives the criminal world a greater advantage. Keeps the honest defenseless, and the criminals powerful under the black market industries.
Would you be able to check off 8 or more principles on this list? No.
Would you be willing to sign this list? I don't sign into any political party. I am my own mind, my own soul, body, and rational being. _________________ irc.iPocalypse.net - Screw the rest, iPoc is the best.
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I actually think this is a very good idea, and one that other political parties should emulate. Far too many fringe-group candidates - like Obama - get onto the ballot by pretending to be a democrat or a republican. This way, they can say "this is what we stand for. This is what our party is about. If these beliefs are not your beliefs, you are not one of us and can't call yourself one of us."
This is one idea from the Reps that I actually agree with. It just makes sense.
It makes no sense unless you want force an entire group of people to believe, or pretend to believe, one way and only that way.
What if that's not what you're about, though?
A republican can't still be considered a Republican unless they conform to all those principles? lol, no, those principles do not and should not define a Republican.
A Republican can still be for smaller government, but not agree with 8 or more of those principles.
For instance, if someone believes in smaller government, but does not believe in more than 8 of those principles, then what political party should they run with?
This contract promotes all or nothing... either far liberal or far right and nothing in between.
This could lead to having little to no moderation... no compromising and no give and take... something that no democratic republic should have to endure. As a country with a democratic republic this is the very thing that could end us with leaders who have no free will and no free thinking.
As it is people argue with the two party system our country seems to have embraced... With no moderation then this will drive the wedge further apart. Isn't this what we don't want to happen?
First of all, what's wrong with setting up criteria for someone to meet in order to get the support of the party? Isn't that what every other organization that offers any kind of support does? As it is, political parties are the only entities that let any Tom, dick, and Harry affiliate themselves without actually proving that they stand for the same things as the rest of the group.
There are more than two political parties. Maybe if they all adopted a similar approach, IE qualifying the people who want their support first, those other parties would have more of a voice because candidates would have to affiliate themselves with the right group, instead of just the big group.
Additionally, there is nothing to stop people from forming their own parties if they can't find one they fit into. _________________ Save the ta-tas!
"Yea, though I walk through valley in the shadow of death I shall fear no evil, for I am the baddest motherf***er in the whole ***damn valley."
-Sgt. Sike
"Fear is a reflex. Confidence is a choice."
-Courage Wolf
That started as sarcasm, then quickly became idiocy. Regardless of what your cause is, way to undermine it. -_- _________________ Save the ta-tas!
"Yea, though I walk through valley in the shadow of death I shall fear no evil, for I am the baddest motherf***er in the whole ***damn valley."
-Sgt. Sike
"Fear is a reflex. Confidence is a choice."
-Courage Wolf
[*] We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;
Nope, I support Obama
GinnyX wrote:
[*] We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care;
Again, I support Obama
GinnyX wrote:
[*] We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
Don't really care
GinnyX wrote:
[*] We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
Why does it have to be a secret? So they can cheat like they always do. No thanks
GinnyX wrote:
[*] We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
It's supposed to a free country, anyone should be welcomed
GinnyX wrote:
[*] We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
If the republicans want a war, let them go fight instead of sending people to do it for them. Punks
GinnyX wrote:
[*] We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
Who the hell are we to contain a country?
GinnyX wrote:
[*] We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
Whoever wants to get married should be allowed. The government needs to mind their business
GinnyX wrote:
[*] We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
Figures they'll deny people health care.
GinnyX wrote:
[*] We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.
Guns should be banned.
Well...guess I'll NEVER be a republican. ha ha
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# We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;
Support. Obama has alreday added a couple trillion to the national debt and it is projected to rise to over 9 trillion by the end of his term. Spending your way out of debt is kind of like screwing your way out of AIDS, don't you think?
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# We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care;
Support. I don't know about you, but I LIKE being able to get my elective procedures done in a timely manner.
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# We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
Oppose. The infrastructure doesn't allow for the type of free-market competition that would keep prices reasonable. Power and water infrastructure are one of the very few areas where the government needs to be involved.
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# We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
Don't quite get what they mean here, but it seems to allude to making it harder for the government to interfere with what I'm doing. I'll abstain for now.
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# We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
Support. Either open the border wide and let them all in, or shut it and throw the damn illegals out. As it it is they are illegal, they are breaking the law, and they are exacerbating gang violence.
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# We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
Partially support. Iraq was never our business. However we need to wrap this up and neither Obama nor Bush had/has military experience. Personally I think they should get the hell out of the way and let the military do what we all know it can do: find Bin Laden, eradicate Al Qaeda, and get home.
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# We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
What those countries do is non of our business. However, North Korea needs to learn some respect. They deliberately fired a missile at Hawaii. Everyone knows they can't reach Hawaii, but the fact that they announced that they would be doing it strikes me as a blatant act of aggression. They could have just as easily fired it at open ocean. I'm of the opinion that we should bomb one of their missile bases to remind them of who beat their asses a few decades ago. Other than that, our military should do what it was intended to do: defense and counter-attack.
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# We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
These people would support segregation if they could. It's time to move out of the 19th century. Do not want.
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# We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion;
Support. For those of you who support the Obamacare, did you know that the health coverage provider with the most denied claims yearly is Medicare, the government-run program? And the government doesn't have a very good track record of fixing its mistakes. Why should we trust them now just because Obama admitted he's a socialist instead of lying to us about it?
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# We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.
Support. I want to be a one-man army, complete with Javelin missiles and Cobra helicopters. _________________ Save the ta-tas!
"Yea, though I walk through valley in the shadow of death I shall fear no evil, for I am the baddest motherf***er in the whole ***damn valley."
-Sgt. Sike
"Fear is a reflex. Confidence is a choice."
-Courage Wolf
[*] We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;
Disagree. A small government isn't appealing when there are extreme capitalists around in the country.
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[*] We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care;
Disagree. Although I'm not happy with the way the health care reform came out, it was more of Congress's fault rather than Obama's. He had to make some sacrifices out of that reform to satisfy Republican members of the senate in order for it to pass. Had satisfying Republican interests not been necessary, then Obama's health care would aid the U.S. in being almost as socially advanced as Western Europe and Canada.
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[*] We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
Disagree. Market-based energy destroys our environment. Cap and trade legislation restricts pollution.
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[*] We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
Disagree. Unions are the only way to keep powerful corporations in check. Without card check, unions aren't possible.
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[*] We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
Agree. Illegal immigration should always be illegal and all illegal activities should never be pardon. Might as well pardon every criminal if we were to do so for illegal immigrants.
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[*] We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
Disagree. We should never have entered Iraq to begin with.
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[*] We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
Agree. North Korea and Iran (especially Iran) are not just a threat to us but to the world.
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[*] We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
Disagree. That act is full of prejudice.
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[*] We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
Disagree. While I do question abortion, I believe the health care reform will benefit our society if it was done without the compromises given to congress.
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[*] We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.
DISAGREE. We are the ONLY modernized, western country that has the highest violent crime rates and yes, I blame that completely on this amendment. _________________
DISAGREE. We are the ONLY modernized, western country that has the highest violent crime rates and yes, I blame that completely on this amendment.
This concerns me more than anything you have said above.
The right to bare arms is put into place to give the legitimate American people protection from villains and give us the power to overthrow the US Government if need be.
Making firearms illegal will only increase violence. Why? Because the gangsters, felons, and other people who commit illegal acts and violence will still have easy access to the black market. This allows them to take over the legitimate person easier, because that legitimate person has no way to protect them self efficiently.
Villains will always have easy access to weapons and illegal objects. Even now, weapons that are illegal for citizens to hold are in the hands of the illegitimate community. Even today, people have access to bombs and weapons of terrorism.
DISAGREE. We are the ONLY modernized, western country that has the highest violent crime rates and yes, I blame that completely on this amendment.
This concerns me more than anything you have said above.
The right to bare arms is put into place to give the legitimate American people protection from villains and give us the power to overthrow the US Government if need be.
Making firearms illegal will only increase violence. Why? Because the gangsters, felons, and other people who commit illegal acts and violence will still have easy access to the black market. This allows them to take over the legitimate person easier, because that legitimate person has no way to protect them self efficiently.
Villains will always have easy access to weapons and illegal objects. Even now, weapons that are illegal for citizens to hold are in the hands of the illegitimate community. Even today, people have access to bombs and weapons of terrorism.
Removing the second amendment only creates easier violence.
I think they have their facts wrong too. England actually has the highest violent crime rate. Not America. Guess what England has...... no guns
I do agree with 7 or 8 of these, and I would probablly sign this if I was a politician in the republican party for the reasons Cress stated.
According to wht I have found.. Scotland was the most violent in 2005... in 2009 it's England, out of all the countries in Europe...
However, supposedly the crimes being committed are rarely by guns, but by other weapons. WHich begs the question.. if not guns, then what other weapon is being used? o.O
The police have also been cited as being very lenient on crime and extremely slow to respond to calls, sometimes taking hours, even days to show up.
Luckily, the US has a better track rate than that, for the most part. _________________ thanks to Yasmine Stupidity is not a learning disability.
However, supposedly the crimes being committed are rarely by guns, but by other weapons. WHich begs the question.. if not guns, then what other weapon is being used? o.O
However, supposedly the crimes being committed are rarely by guns, but by other weapons. WHich begs the question.. if not guns, then what other weapon is being used? o.O
I like fruit, though.... I dont want there to be restrictions or anything against them. _________________ thanks to Yasmine Stupidity is not a learning disability.
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