Bill and Fleur's house (Shell Cottage) is protected by the Fidelius Charm with Bill as the Secret Keeper. So Bill is the only one who can say the whereabouts of Shell Cottage.
However, Ron is able to tell Dobby where to apperate everybody to when he rescues them from Malfoy Manor, and Dobby is able to take them there. If Shell Cottage was protected by the Fidelius Charm then Ron shouldn't have been able to tell Dobby to take everybody there and Dobby shouldn't have been able to see the house anyway... _________________
does the fidelius charms keep elves out? it might not apply to them. that would be my guess.
No way. Too much of a loophole. Voldermort would never have needed Wormtail's information - only a convenient House Elf.
But Voldemort never knew about house elves apperating differently - look at what happened with Kreacher. Either that, or he thought it irrelevant.
Actually the house elves idea is a good one - explains how Dobby was able to get into Malfoy Manor as well... surely Malfoy Manor must have had the Fidelius Charm or some other protection too... _________________
There's no mistake. House-elf magic is different to human magic. The fidelius charm doesn't work on them. Kreacher could apparate in and out of Grimmauld Place. And also the house-elves in Hogwarts could do it, eventhough there's stronger magic protecting the castle.
The Dark Lord considered the house elves inferior creatures. That's why he would never believe that a house elf could have powers he didn't have!
Remember he didn't even thought Kreacher could scape from the place where he hid the Horcrux! _________________
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if Ron had tried to tell a PERSON he wouldn't have been able to, but I don't think the fidelius charm would stop him from telling a house elf, because normal magical rules do not apply to them.
I wonder though...what would happened if you did try to tell some person, but you weren't secret keeper? would it block your voice? if you tried to write it down would it make your hand scribble? _________________
OK, this has answered the question as to how Dobby was able to apperate to Shell Cottage.
It however, does NOT explain how Ron was able to tell Dobby where it is...
Under the Fidelius Charm, Bill should have been the only person able to say its location...
All Ron said was outskirts of Tinsworth... not, like, an actual address or anything.
in OotP, the Order was able to take Harry directly to the Headquarters, but Harry just couldnt see it, until he read the address. this time, they were already outside waiting for him. Also. elf magic is different, so Ron might have been able to tell him things he couldnt have told to a human. _________________ thanks to Yasmine and Eric
If i remember correctly, Bill says that everyone had been moved to Aunt Muriels after Harry arrived at Shell Cottage and that Arthur was the secret keeper for that house and that Bill had become the secret keeper for Shell cottage as they performed the fidelius charm after harry and co arrived. _________________ Wand:11", Ash, Phoenix tail feather
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OK, this has answered the question as to how Dobby was able to apperate to Shell Cottage.
It however, does NOT explain how Ron was able to tell Dobby where it is...
Under the Fidelius Charm, Bill should have been the only person able to say its location...
All Ron said was outskirts of Tinsworth... not, like, an actual address or anything.
in OotP, the Order was able to take Harry directly to the Headquarters, but Harry just couldnt see it, until he read the address. this time, they were already outside waiting for him. Also. elf magic is different, so Ron might have been able to tell him things he couldnt have told to a human.
The fidelius charm doesnt prevent you from telling someone, it prevents you from speaking the location out loud. Ron could be alone, in a soundproof dark room, and still not be able to say the name, nor the location. Whoever said "too much of a loophole" no, not really. Voldemort still couldn't have sent a house elf into a fideliused house, because even if the elf could get there, Voldemort wouldn't be able to tell the elf where to go. No real use. If you know where it is, using an elf doesnt really save you much trouble, does it? You could just as easily send in a death eater, or do it yourself....
OK, this has answered the question as to how Dobby was able to apperate to Shell Cottage.
It however, does NOT explain how Ron was able to tell Dobby where it is...
Under the Fidelius Charm, Bill should have been the only person able to say its location...
All Ron said was outskirts of Tinsworth... not, like, an actual address or anything.
in OotP, the Order was able to take Harry directly to the Headquarters, but Harry just couldnt see it, until he read the address. this time, they were already outside waiting for him. Also. elf magic is different, so Ron might have been able to tell him things he couldnt have told to a human.
The fidelius charm doesnt prevent you from telling someone, it prevents you from speaking the location out loud. Ron could be alone, in a soundproof dark room, and still not be able to say the name, nor the location. Whoever said "too much of a loophole" no, not really. Voldemort still couldn't have sent a house elf into a fideliused house, because even if the elf could get there, Voldemort wouldn't be able to tell the elf where to go. No real use. If you know where it is, using an elf doesnt really save you much trouble, does it? You could just as easily send in a death eater, or do it yourself....
Ron didn't tell him Dobby the address, so I'm not sure what you mean... _________________ thanks to Yasmine and Eric
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